no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

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no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby LizardKing » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:53 pm

I am amazed, shocked, and disgusted that there in no true crop in Inkscape.
This cripples the software for many, many people and in my case makes it the worst graphics software EVER.
Inkscape MUST have a method of easily and truly cropping an image, without it I can not do most of what I need to do with it.
Example?
The new Cricut die cutting machine can accept SVG files and only SVG vector files (and now I see why that is a bad, bad idea)
and I need to cut out parts of pdf files to use with my Cricut machine.
After spending a lot of time I find that there is no way to truly crop an image in Inkscape, the files are imported into the Cricut software full size and unfortunately often too large to edit in the Cricut software.
I have had to take non vector images, cut them into pieces I need, then try to convert them to svg format and try to import them.
It is 2015 and I find the lack of a real crop tool in Inkscape so primitive and time consuming for my needs that I am angry with the software.
Seriously, 2015, not 1980 and I remember 1980 well as I started messing with computers that year.
At this point I am now searching for software that will allow me to edit svg files that has such basic tools as "crop" and the like and I have already wasted far too much time trying to do something that should be trivial in 2015.
or 1985.....

As much as I like vector file formats I am developing a deep, burning, itchy HATE for svg files.
If anyone starts with the old "you don't really need to crop images with Inkscape" you will likely end up cursed with a very old and finely crafted hex from ancient times that will make your life a living hell and deserve your fate.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND PUT A REAL CROP INTO INKSCAPE.
I even have a name for this new "feature".
You could call it "Crop"!

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby hulf2012 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:45 pm

Hello,
:?:

If you want to ask for a feature go here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape
or here:
https://inkscape.org/en/community/mailing-lists/

I know there are a lot of features that Inkscape doesn't have. However some things can have a work around, an others can't.

I'm not sure If I understand you. Yo say to crop an image, but that feature I think is more involved to a raster image and raster image programs, in the sense that the images are cuted in their borders

In Inkscape, vector images can be cliped, or can be cut using boolean operations.
If you haven't read it, this is the first manual that I always recomend:
the Inkscape Guide

If you could provide an example file of what do you have right now, and want to achieve, maybe here some help could be given.

Also, be aware: In my opinion, let's say there is som kind of ... bureucracy in the Inkscape project. The changes can be veeery slow... This is project of open source software, with their good things, and also bad things.

On the other hand:
If you find another software, which also is free, that can fulfill your requirements, please tell us, to give it a test.

Greetings
If you have problems:
1.- Post a sample (or samples) of your file please.
2.- Please check here:
http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/index.html
3.- If you manage to solve your problem, please post here your solution.

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Re: No true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? Are you serious?

Postby ragstian » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:56 pm

Hi.

Welcome to the forum!

I can understand your frustration, the learning curve for Inkscape (or any other vector editing software/CAD program) is steep.
From your description it sounds like you have tried Inkscape without going through a few simple exercises trying to learn the basics.

A good place to start is the quick start tutorials in The Manual

After a few tutorials your frustration level will go down and you will find that you can "Crop" as much as you like!

Another complaint from other beginners is the lack of a line tool. It's there but you will have to learn the basic of Inkscape to understand the different modes of the different tools.
Remember that the main problems using IT equipment is called PEBKAC - Problem Exist Between Keyboard and Chair - In other words the user is normally the problem, not the software or hardware.

If you want a professional program (costing $$$) to edit SVG files used by thousand of designers & artists try - Adobe Illustrator. For some reason even Adobe Illustrator lacks a crop feature - which is not really applicable to a vector editing program. Bear in mind that Inkscape is developed by true enthusiasts - without any monetary compensation - in their spare time. They are doing you and me a fantastic favor which at least I am very grateful for. In my opinion it's already a brilliant program - getting better for every new release!

Even with a high frustration level profound language is not encouraged on this forum.
A sound advice before posting on a forum (or any other form of digital communication) is to write the post - leave the
computer - take a glass of cold water - come back and read the message and then ask yourself, "Would I have said this face to face with a person?"
If the answer is "Yes" - press the post or send button! ( By reading through your message you can get the capitalization and punctuation corrected as well!) :D

Your frustration level can be seen in your heading - "r u serial?" - Is that supposed to mean; "Are you serious?"?

Have a look at this tutorial; http://inkscapetutorials.org/2014/04/22/inkscape-faq-how-do-i-crop-in-inkscape/

Chime back when more help is needed!

Good Luck - Take Care - Dire Straits Ahead.
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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Maestral » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:29 pm

@serial cursing
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17266
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15624
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16867

@Ragnar
How brave of you to mention the Manual. Boy, oh boy - brave heart you do have ,) May the Force stay with you.
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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Lazur » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:29 am

LizardKing wrote:Seriously, 2015, not 1980....

As much as I like vector file formats I am developing a deep, burning, itchy HATE for svg files.



Should I add my hate on Bézier curves too?
Seriously, not 1962 nor 1912.


On the svg side, rendering-compositing can be blamed much too.


But actually it is as simple as a piece of rock and as effective.

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Re: No true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? Are you serious?

Postby LizardKing » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:54 am

ragstian wrote:After a few tutorials your frustration level will go down and you will find that you can "Crop" as much as you like!


Been there, done that, and the fact remains there is no true crop in Inkscape which I clearly explained in my post.


Another complaint from other beginners is the lack of a line tool. It's there but you will have to learn the basic of Inkscape to understand the different modes of the different tools.
Remember that the main problems using IT equipment is called PEBKAC - Problem Exist Between Keyboard and Chair - In other words the user is normally the problem, not the software or hardware.


There is also the problem of people who responding to a post without reading it all or fully understand what the poster is posting.
Now, if y'all are hearing a lot of complaints from people about the lack of basic tools in Inkscape perhaps you could take that as a clue?
Perhaps instead of giving people a hard time when they post about the lack of some important and basic tools in the software you'd see that it points out the need for such tools?
No?
I didn't think so.
You must work for the government!
LOL!

If you want a professional program (costing $$$) to edit SVG files used by thousand of designers & artists try - Adobe Illustrator. For some reason even Adobe Illustrator lacks a crop feature - which is not really applicable to a vector editing program. Bear in mind that Inkscape is developed by true enthusiasts - without any monetary compensation - in their spare time. They are doing you and me a fantastic favor which at least I am very grateful for. In my opinion it's already a brilliant program - getting better for every new release!


I'd like a graphics editing program that can perform some basic editing functions necessary for processing files for cutting on a vinyl cutter.
After wasting hours of time I find that Inkscape is incapable of doing even the most basic editing I need for my application.
Did you get that or are you just here looking to throw poop at me for daring to criticize your beloved program?
Did I not make it clear that it sucks due to lack of some basic and important tools such as "crop"?
CorelDRAW has a crop feature for vector images.
That is what I am using now, and the word "Inkscape" shall forever be linked to the terms "worthless" "crude" and "lacking some of the most important and basic features necessary for a graphics editing program" along with "fanboy base of vapid lusers"...

Even with a high frustration level profound language is not encouraged on this forum.
A sound advice before posting on a forum (or any other form of digital communication) is to write the post - leave the
computer - take a glass of cold water - come back and read the message and then ask yourself, "Would I have said this face to face with a person?"


I used common acronyms and did not use profound language.
I can tell you would really, really hate what I'd say to you face to face, buddy.

If the answer is "Yes" - press the post or send button! ( By reading through your message you can get the capitalization and punctuation corrected as well!) :D


You obviously have not spent much time on the internut or forums if you don't realize that everything I wrote was intended.

Your frustration level can be seen in your heading - "r u serial?" - Is that supposed to mean; "Are you serious?"?


Oh look, you are starting to get it a bit.
Ever watch South Park?



Seen it and a bunch of others, it does NOT help in the least.
Inkscape can not do a basic crop.
When the file is imported into the program I need it for it is full size.
Please read my post over and over again until you understand what I wrote and what my issue is instead of going all "OMG, he is swearing and spelling words wrong!"

Chime back when more help is needed!


Since Inkscape can't perform the most basic operation I need to work with svg files for my use why would I come back?
You haven't been any help in spite of you thinking that you have anything of value to impart to me.
Pretend I am from Missouri.

PS - I am certain that this user will chimp out and get very hostile at my response yet the fact remains, he threw the first stones.

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Maestral » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:02 am

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Re: No true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? Are you serious?

Postby ragstian » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:28 am

Hi.

I did read your post several time before replying, sorry if you feel offended by some of my reply.
I read you loud and clear and I reckon I got a basic understanding of what you are saying.

To get a better understanding of what you are trying to accomplish could you please include a svg file as an example of what you are trying to do, we might be able to help you.

Thanks for teaching me some new words "vapid lusers"- I had too look them up. (English is not my mother tongue.)

Ever watch South Park?
I can tell you would really, really hate what I'd say to you face to face, buddy.
You must for the government!

NO - to me the TV is a waste of time!
To me hate is a very strong term which I never use for things I dislike.
No, I don't think I would hate to hear what you have to say, in fact I might enjoy it!
No, I don't (work) for the government.

As I am interested in Vinyl Cutting (and using Inkscape for CNC work) - please post some of your finished work!

Have a nice day.

PS - What's wrong about Missouri?
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Re: No true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? Are you serious?

Postby Lazur » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:48 am

LizardKing wrote:Now, if y'all are hearing a lot of complaints from people about the lack of basic tools in Inkscape perhaps you could take that as a clue?
Perhaps instead of giving people a hard time when they post about the lack of some important and basic tools in the software you'd see that it points out the need for such tools?


We are hardly developers here. Just simple users with a bit of experience bearing with this bunch of free code.
It's not the blame we would take from you unsatisfied by inkscape, but we may suggest solutions that can work.

How I would blame everyone else for a feature I miss -oh wait, I want something to be produced. Since I cannot code, I should use the tools at hand. Cruel? Just as life is.


LizardKing wrote:I'd like a graphics editing program that can perform some basic editing functions necessary for processing files for cutting on a vinyl cutter.


At this point, I do see how vinyl cutter can make people disrespect craftmenship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2sxKg8mn0
Ignorance is still not the key.


LizardKing wrote:Inkscape can not do a basic crop.
When the file is imported into the program I need it for it is full size.


I have to admit that I skipped through some of your lines, had a lack of sleep right now. But it does sound possible, and my guessing would be the previous links all could come handy at some point.


LizardKing wrote:Since Inkscape can't perform the most basic operation I need to work with svg files for my use why would I come back?


You did make a profile here for some reason. Was it only to reduce your anger?

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby brynn » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:05 am

It's absolutely amazing how a deficiency you found with your Cricut machine, suddenly translates to a problem with Inkscape. It's not Inkscape's fault that your cutter machine can't take large files!

But the bottom line is that you are barking up the wrong tree here, LizardKing. This is a forum for Inkscape users. Very few developers are even members here, and those rarely visit.

The proper way to request new features can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=484 But let me warn you ahead of time, if you plan to blast the mailing list with a message like you posted here, you will quickly be banned from the list, and your request ignored. (This reminds me of a guy who started a flame thread like this, a while ago, and actually stated that he thought stirring the pot would get the job done faster, lol!) You perhaps don't realize that Inkscape has been built, and continues to be developed, by people who are professionals in their day job, in their spare time, as volunteers. You want instant gratification, you'll have to pay for it, or wait, like the rest of us.

A true crop tool, as well as a razor tool, are both much requested new features. You can throw all the temper tantrums you want, but it's not going to result in Inkscape having such a feature, any faster. Especially when you are throwing your tantrum in front of other Inkscape users, not developers. If you have any coding/hacking skills of your own, you would be welcome to join the development team, and hack a new crop tool yourself....assuming you can mind your manners.

I did read your message quite closely. It sounds like you have both PDF files, and "non-vector" files which are very large in dimension. PDF can contain both raster and vector content, and it's not clear from your message which kind of PDF content you are dealing with.

If the PDFs are vector files, even though you don't want to hear it, you should be able, using Inkscape, to copy only the parts you want, into a new file that is small enough for your purpose. And bonus -- Inkscape makes SVG files!

If the PDF has raster content, or for the "non-vector" images you mentioned, I wonder if it's occurred to you to actually crop them with a raster editor, before you convert to vector? It would take like 2 minutes!

Anyone who is serious about working with computer graphics, knows that they need more than just 1 graphics program, to do their work effectively. Unless you can afford to buy Adobe Illustrator, you will need to use both a vector editor and a raster editor. Likely you bit off more than you can chew, with this project you are working on. Maybe you should have researched more carefully, before taking this job. In any case, it's not our fault, and yelling at us has only wasted your time!

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Bismuth » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:33 pm

I feel like the easiest way to crop is to create an rectangle with no fill and stroke, and place it so that it covers exactly the area you want to crop. Select them both, click Path->Intersection and Object->Clip->Set.
In a way I miss the true crop option as well due to its ease of use, but most crop tools in for example GIMP solely allow rectangular shape cropping; Inkscape allows many more shapes.

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby ianp5a » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:42 pm

Is "Clip", as people suggested, not suitable for this?
Does the machine have any problem with a clipped file?

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Lazur » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:52 pm

If there was a crop option
-how would you imagine a rectangle/ellipse/circle/arc/3Dbox/text object cropped?
How would you imagine a stroked path chopped off?
What about gradient meshes (if they are enabled)?

There is no other way to leave out parts from the rendering, while still not deleting them.
Crop is a raster solution, not a vector one.

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby brynn » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:47 am

Oh no, how did this topic getted bumped?

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby Lazur » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:02 am

Not sure why, but crop came up yesterday at the live chat board where it was discussed as non-implementable.
(Actually that user wanted a way to split a font to separate svg files. Another example, where a better explanation of the problem would have widened the range of the possible answers from the start.)

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Re: no true crop in Inkscape? REALLY? OMFG! r u serial?

Postby MoonDragon » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:06 pm

I don't see how you could have a "crop" tool in a vector graphic software app. Adobe Illustrator doesn't have one either.
Crop tools are features to be found in bitmap editors.
With vector graphics you simply change the document or page size, in Illustrator they call this the artboard, but it's the same thing.. just change the document page size. Inkscape helpfully can reduce or "crop" the page using the "reduce size to content...." feature found under File>Document Properties If you want to crop to some other size create a rectangle the size you want (without a fill), reduce the size to that by keeping it selected and there you have it, delete the rectangle or remove the stroke as you prefer. This can be achieved in seconds (I've done it many times, it really doesn't slow down work flow). In fact I find it a lot quicker to produce artwork using Inkscape than other "industry standard" offerings, although I do use other software like Coreldraw and AI. I've been trained using those.
It sometimes takes a little intelligence to unlock the features of any software. The learning curve on proprietary software is huge as well, also with many hidden features


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