[SOLVED] Strange problem at opening old files

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[SOLVED] Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Ponny » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:48 am

meow

I am not sure, where to post this topic. But it is in fact about last version 0.92.

At file opening I get message: "old inkscape file detected (90 dpi)".
Then I have two options:
1. set 'viewbox'
2. scale elements

I tried both. And comapare with option 3 - ignored
Whole picture at ignored is 27.844 cm with. Original is 29.7cm.
And both correction do this - the same.
One of objects has line with 0.469 pt at ignored.
After correcting with option 1 or 2 - is 0.5 pt. This is normal.

Then, if the both correction do the same thing - correcting lines width for some factor, and objects dimenssions also for some factor, what is the difference?
By the way, I dont know what is in fact this viewbox.

Thanks in advance

By the way: How can I ask about message "old inkscape file detected (90 dpi)",
if words "file", "inkscape", "90" are forbiden at searching.

By the way 2. I searched about this problem in internet, but found only duscusions about problem without any solution or just advice what option to select at opening betwen this two.


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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Moini » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:26 am

If you want to read the full story, take a look at the current mailing list discussion. That dialog is currently being redesigned, because it's difficult to understand.

https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mail ... sg35628235

(yes, and I also don't know if I understood it correctly...)
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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Ponny » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:24 pm

I hoped yesterday for a simple explanation - for "dummies".
But now. Do you advice me to use option 2 at any time?

Thankyou anyway
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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Moini » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:25 am

I'd like to be able to help, but I just don't know if I understood the functionality correctly or not, the devs didn't answer me, and I currently don't have the time to play around with it to find it out on my own.

What do you want to use the file for? What kind of Inkscape features does it use? (paths, shapes, clones, filters, ...)
Maybe then we can find which is the better way.
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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby brynn » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:50 pm

As far as I understand it, if the SVG image is going to be viewed on a webpage, use the "Viewbox" option. For anything else, I'm not sure. So far, I've just been using Ignore button. But so far, I haven't really edited any older drawings - just made new ones.

One thing I'm not clear about. This only affects vector content, right? Or does it affect raster content too? And it only really matters if you want to edit something in 0.92 or later, that you originally created using a previous version. And it only matters if you're going to do something with the image. For me, I just use Inkscape as a hobby. I never print my drawings and I hardly ever put them on a webpage. But if you're going to put it on a webpage, or print your image, and it needs to be a certain size, or send it to a cutter/plotter, CNC, etc,. All those things do matter.

I think developers are working on a new dialog (and possibly new functionality to go with it?) which should be much more clear than it is now, and I think it's planned for version 0.92.1 which they hope to release next month. Basically, with version 0.92, Inkscape's native dpi changed from 90 to 96. It used to be 90 dpi equals 1 inch. Now in Inkscape, 1 inch = 96 dpi

I might not understand this exactly right, but the way I understand now, is that one way (viewbox) scales the whole image at once. And the other way (scale elements) scales each individual object or path. For many, many drawings, using either one of those buttons will appear to do the same thing. But for certain things, it really does matter.

Until 0.92.1 comes out next month, if I decide to edit a drawing I made in a previous version, I think I'll just use "Ignore". Or if I do decide to use one of those other options, I definitely would check the box to make a backup. So if it does something I don't like, at least I still have my original.

(Maren, I thought Mairen did answer your question. Could be stuck in a spam folder, maybe?)

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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Moini » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:06 am

For web usage, I think 'Ignore' is actually the correct option.
This affects both vector and raster contents.

(The question I asked in my answer where I thanked her for her explanation was if I had described it correctly with my own words. That one wasn't answered. I asked again in the bug tracker, but there, too, no answer - so I'm either way off, and nobody dares to tell me, or people just don't have time for this.)
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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Ponny » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:19 pm

Well, I not us any filters, beccause in few cases inkscape becomes a little bit unstable with filters on few objects. But this is the diferrent story. Let back to this.

I made two test. With same file made in inkscape 0.48. This viewbox and scale elements. And result was the same. I mean, dimensions of objects and line wdth.

When I open older file in inkscape 0.92, whole picture is a little bit too small. And if I open inkscape file in Xara vector drawing program, whole page and picture is also a little bit too small. The same ratio in both cases, I thing. I thing, ratio is equal of ratio 96/90. But I not calculated this. I suspect, the problem in Xara has source in this setting to 90 dpi in inkscape. But I am not sure. I have feelling, when inkscape got 96 dpi (0.92 already has this) problem at opening files in Xara will be automatic solved.

Thank you for all answers and nice day to you

(And sorry for a little bit strange english :oops: )
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Re: Strange problem at opening old files

Postby Moini » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:34 am

Guess my Polish would be much stranger ;-)
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