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patjennings
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Redlining tools

Postby patjennings » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:34 am

Hello,

I'm surprised there is no alternatives to Zeplin, or some other visual specifications tool, that can handle SVG :/
For those who don't know it, it is a tool that is used mainly in design companies, to transfer visual informations to developers -- sizes, colors, etc..
I'm working on it, but i wonder if anyone ever heard about a tool like that ? Or have an opinion on this ?

Cheers,
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Re: Zeplin-like

Postby druban » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:17 pm

I believe this is just a thinly disguised attempt to advertise a commercial product in this forum, but out of deference to the moderator who approved this post I am not going to delete it.
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Redlining tools

Postby patjennings » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:36 pm

You believe wrong and you're very suspicious, not sure why. I don't care about this tool specifically... It is just an ex-am-ple. Maybe putting a trademark as a topic title is not a good idea. Or, maybe i wasn't clear enough.
My point is : is there a tool that we can use freely, that could handle SVG from Inkscape, and that could visually specify some kinds of sizes, margins, colors ? As long as svg is just some xml, i don't think that could be difficult to achieve.
And, because i'm a kind person, i will just prove my sincerity by posting the link to a git repo i just started yesterday. It is an attempt to cover this need.

here > https://gitlab.com/patjennings/svg-specifications
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Redlining tools

Postby tylerdurden » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:55 pm

We've had our fair share of sneaky shameless spammers, so please forgive our initial skepticism. In that regard, we can mention a competing product: Avocode. (Feel free to revise the subject/title of the first post as I have done here.)

Any tool that helps more designers and developers appreciate and embrace Inkscape is a good thing.

Good luck with the project.
Have a nice day.

I'm using Inkscape 0.92.2 (5c3e80d, 2017-08-06), 64 bit win8.1

The Inkscape manual has lots of helpful info! http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/

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Re: Redlining tools

Postby patjennings » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:34 am

Thanks for your answer.
I checked Avocade, and it doesn't seem to take SVG as an input. I will check its features deeply, but it feels like the need for a tool that can achieve this task with an Inkscape SVG is still relevant (at least for me !)
I will continue this little mission on my side, and will push significant updates on this thread.
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Re: Redlining tools

Postby brynn » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:44 am

Well, it's not easy to be a moderator sometimes. You wouldn't believe how clever the human spammers can be! We wouldn't be human if we didn't make a mistake now and then.

I'm not familiar with redlining, or the other products mentioned. So I can't help with that.

I'm also not sure exactly what you're working on, since I'm not a programmer (so I can't look at your repo and understand what you're doing). But Inkscape's repo is also in gitlab, and if you're thinking of either adding some new native features to Inkscape, or maybe making an extension, then welcome to the community!!

If that's the case, then I can tell you that Inkscape developers don't typically participate in forums. We're mostly users here. You'll want to subscribe to the development mailing list, if you want to get really involved. Or there's a development IRC, which for the short term might work better. Info on this page of the Inkscape website: https://inkscape.org/community/ (Bugs are reported or new feature requested here, although it may be moved to gitlab Issues soon https://launchpad.net/inkscape)

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After re-reading your original message "transfer visual informations to developers -- sizes, colors, etc." I'm wondering, couldn't Inkscape itself transfer such info?

Hhmm..... Yikes, maybe should use a better term than "redlining"? See Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Tried to research Zepelin, but it's got one of those minimalistic websites which make you dig, dig, dig to find anything. Bleh

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Re: A tool to document visual infromations from an Inkscape SVG

Postby patjennings » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:41 am

Hello,

Thanks for answers & informations @brynn.
Well, it's not easy to be a moderator sometimes. You wouldn't believe how clever the human spammers can be! We wouldn't be human if we didn't make a mistake now and then.

I can imagine... No problem.

I wanted to go further on this stuff before coming back to this thread : i think a living example is better than words. So, here it is > http://www.thomasguesnon.fr/platform/svg-specs/ (click on objects to see informations)
Git is here > https://gitlab.com/patjennings/svg-specifications
After re-reading your original message "transfer visual informations to developers -- sizes, colors, etc." I'm wondering, couldn't Inkscape itself transfer such info?

You are right, Inkscape has measurements features that works really well. But my need, and that need is covered by the services mentioned above, is to have a tool i can rely on, as a designer, to transfer informations to "web" development team (css devs, react devs, that kind of people). I work mainly on graphical user interfaces (GUI), and the quality of the information is really important when passing the baton to developers. So, Inkscape tools are ok, but i want to extract more informations from the svg. As you can see in the example above, i can give some CSS code that web developers can copy/paste (really easy, it's in the code generated by Inkscape). And it's a tool reachable online, with an url. Easy access, no excuses for not implementing correctly stuff i sent, :D !

I hope you understand more what i want to achieve.

If that's the case, then I can tell you that Inkscape developers don't typically participate in forums. We're mostly users here.

Actually, at this step, i'm more interested in users feedbacks. The reason i created this thread is to know if other inkscape users faced the problem i faced. Plus, the little work made here is not directly related to inkscape source code.

For the thread title, you're right, for sure... I try another... But i'm not native english-speaking, and not skilled enough to see what could match this particular topic

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Re: Redlining tools

Postby brynn » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:31 pm

Hhmm, I'm afraid that what you're doing is still mostly over my head. I'm not a programmer or developer. I just use Inkscape as a hobby, and can't even claim to be much of an artist. Your example reminds me a little of the console that you can display in Firefox, though, where you mouse over something, and it shows you that part of the code. But anyway, while it gives me a little better idea what you're doing, I can't give any kind of helpful feedback.

Hey.....if you opened an SVG file in Firefox, and mouse over different parts of it, I wonder if it would show you the codes? Interesting, it looks like it does! Of course that probably isn't exactly what you want.

I don't know if other Inkscape users face this problem. Not any that participate here regularly, apparently. There is an Inkscape user mailing list, which most users of this forum don't subscribe to. So that might be a different pool of Inkscape users you could ask. (https://inkscape.org/community/mailing-lists/)

But for user feedback....wouldn't your users be the developers who you want to see this info? Maybe you could ask them what they think?

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Re: Redlining tools

Postby patjennings » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:54 am

Right, thanks for your feedback.
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