Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

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Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:04 pm

Something I made for the band Severed Fifth.

I woulda shared the SVG but they are 18MB a piece.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby loonquawl » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:46 am

Very Nice!

How did you end up with 18MB, though? is it the grunge look? Did you vectorize the bitmap from the cover?

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby blaz_boy » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:00 am

oh god , 18 MB ?
i didn't reach that size never , even a car manually traced SVG didn't reach that high
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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:10 am

Everything is vector. I'm actually doing the cover art as well. I have all the sources.

Part of why it's so big is the bird from the crest is tiled in the background 1360 times. Look at the 16:10 render to see. Actually, looking at it, the 16:10 SVG is 25MB. There's alot of parts to it. As well as alot of blur. I'm not actually sure if that adds to filesize though. I'm also working at 2560x1600. Saving as a .svgz cuts it down to 8MB. :)

I combined everything where I could but it just seems to be a complex image. You need over a GB of memory to render it.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby loonquawl » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:14 am

I just tried clone-tiling a 700+ node object 40x40. the Object itself gives an 80kb file, the version with the 1600 clones (shifted, rotated, colored and blurred) comes in at 840kb. The rendering grinds my computer to a crawl for some 5 minutes, though.

Are you sure it is the cloned tiles that bloat the file thus? Or did you perhaps sever the clone-ties and make all the object separate entities?

EDIT: sorry for going into technicalities here, i like your image, but the 18MB just piqued my interest...

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:27 am

I have no clue. There are no bitmaps so I'm at a loss.

Funny thing is, saving it as a "plain svg" vs. "Inkscape svg" cuts 7MB off the size. Weird.

So:
    Inkscape svg = 25MB
    Inkscape svgz = 8MB
    plain svg = 18MB
    plain svgz = 2.5MB

I would post it but since it's client-work atm I can't. We're still deciding on the right free license.

I'll talk to Bryce or Ted about these differences on IRC and most likely at a upcoming conference.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby heathenx » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:45 am

Nice image.

It's my understanding that cloning adds very little to the overall size of the file. It's duplicating that gets you into trouble.

PS. Has Jono seen that yet?

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:57 am

heathenx wrote:Nice image.

It's my understanding that cloning adds very little to the overall size of the file. It's duplicating that gets you into trouble.

Ahh.... I'll try that. :)
heathenx wrote:PS. Has Jono seen that yet?

Yes. He's been too busy to post it on the site so he said I can make it public and he'll post it once he gets a hold on his crazy schedule.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby microUgly » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:55 am

There's nothing visible in the PNG that should make the SVG file so large. If you would like help to identify why it's so large, you could upload it to mediafire.com.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:06 am

microUgly wrote:There's nothing visible in the PNG that should make the SVG file so large. If you would like help to identify why it's so large, you could upload it to mediafire.com.


I will once the license is sorted.

I still have no clue why a plain .svgz is 10x smaller. (besides being zipped)

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby microUgly » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:46 am

MetalMusicAddict wrote:I still have no clue why a plain .svgz is 10x smaller. (besides being zipped)

That's a good point. If it were due to an embeded bitmap it wouldn't be that different. a lot of the bloat must be in the Inkscape namespace. Although, even 2.5MB is HUGE.

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby microUgly » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:37 pm

Ok, so the size of this image is due to shear number of nodes (impressive :)). Each of those blobs in the background is a duplicate of a the complete logo. Deleting all those strips away over 20MB of data. The font is responsible for the last few MB of data.

It doesn't seem like this was created from scratch in Inkscape (nothing wrong with that) since I had ungroup multiple time before I could get to some objects--it's not the type of grouping I would expect someone to create deliberately. There's heaps of room to optimise the file size. One is to clone the logos for the background instead of duplicating them--this should make a huge difference. Since the logos are blurred you could also simplify them since the detail is lost anyway when blurred. This is true also for the blurred text shadow.

but if the file size isn't a problem for you then you don't need to change anything :)

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Re: Severed Fifth "Tilted Crest"

Postby MetalMusicAddict » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:58 pm

microUgly wrote:It doesn't seem like this was created from scratch in Inkscape (nothing wrong with that) since I had ungroup multiple time before I could get to some objects--it's not the type of grouping I would expect someone to create deliberately.

Everything was done in Inkscape, though not done just in this file. I have the stock logo elsewhere and pulled it in.

The grouping is the way it is because of the way one could interact with it. ie: The bird is one, the shield is another. The banner is yet another. Then they all break down individually from there. Text, white parts and whatnot.

There are actually a couple of versions, depending on its use. This is defiantly the most complex.

There's heaps of room to optimize the file size. One is to clone the logos for the background instead of duplicating them--this should make a huge difference.


I actually have a version where I did that. It saved 5 MB. Maybe I did something wrong if that's not as much as one would expect to save.

Since the logos are blurred you could also simplify them since the detail is lost anyway when blurred. This is true also for the blurred text shadow.

but if the file size isn't a problem for you then you don't need to change anything :)


In the end, it's really not but it's cool to try to optimize where I can. :)


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