[SOLVED] New version 0.48.3 or 0.49

Ponny · Postby **Ponny** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:30 pm

Mijau

Maybe someone knows what is currently happening with the program Inkscape development?
Maybe anybody knows, what will be the next version: 0.48.3 or 0.49?
Maybe develepmnent temporary paused, because of summer heat?

Thankyou and wish you cold and nice day.

civ-civ

Ponny

Postby **brynn** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:07 am

Hi Ponny

The next version will be 0.48.3. Like 0.48.1 and 0.48.2, it will be almost entirely bug fixes. The last I heard, it's due out this year. And I think it may already be ready for non-Windows systems, although don't quote me on that, lol. I actually can't remember where or how I got that impression.

Anyway, after that will be 0.49, which will introduce a new renderer, which is much anticipated, and expected to reduce a lot of performance issues that have bogged us all down, I expect, at one time or another. The last I heard, it's expected to be released sometime next year.

Under "Milestones and Releases" section, you can follow links to see the list of bugs which either have been, or will be fixed, with each release. https://launchpad.net/inkscape/0.48.x

And here's for 0.49: https://launchpad.net/inkscape/+milestone/0.49 (again, look at "Milestones and Releases" for list of bugs/features)

PS -- Ponny, this is off topic, but since you've joined this forum, I have searched and searched for some definition or translation of "mijau". I've found really only one translation -- from Croatian, "mijau" translates to "meow" in English. In case you don't know that word in English, "meow" is what the cat says (also somtimes "mew"....especially tiny kittens say "mew" and cats say "meow").

Ponny · Postby **Ponny** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:51 pm

About "mijau". Yes, that's it. In slovenian, cat says mijav.

By the way. Do you know, how many programmers works on inkscape at this moment.
I mean really programmers with almost full working time on inkscape.

I read somewhere the information about linux kernell.
Many programers works on linux kernell. I can't remember number. If I rememmber right, about 2/3 is profesional programmers and only 1/3 or less volunteers. Do you think that the same situation at inkscape?

Ponny

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:21 pm

Ponny wrote:By the way. Do you know, how many programmers works on inkscape at this moment.
I mean really programmers with almost full working time on inkscape.

“how many programmers works on inkscape at this moment.“
-> only a handful are regular contributors at any given time
(some stats are provided e.g. by ohloh.net)
“programmers with almost full working time on inkscape”
-> none

Ponny · Postby **Ponny** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:44 am

Aha, that means about hour or two a day. Perhaps after completing other daily obligations.
Sorry for stupid question.
And thankyou for answer.

Ponny

Postby **brynn** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:00 pm

And it's all volunteer work!

prokoudine · Postby **prokoudine** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:52 am

Hi,

Sorry, it's my fault. I should be updating Inkscape's homepage more regularly, It's just I really hate going through checking in stuff to SVN repository, then running update script on server. Posting to Google+ is so much easier.

But let me write something

I'm not sure why brynn says that 0.49 will have a new renderer. Inkscape already uses Cairo. What's new is updates in that renderer.

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:00 am

prokoudine wrote:I'm not sure why brynn says that 0.49 will have a new renderer. Inkscape already uses Cairo. What's new is updates in that renderer.

Please explain … ;)

To quote the work-in-progress release notes for Inkscape 0.49:

Inkscape 0.49 includes a new renderer based on the Cairo library. This work was done during Google Summer of Code 2010 and 2011 projects.

(Current stable (0.48.x) uses cairo only to render the outline view mode. Normal view on-canvas and for bitmap export is Inkscape's old renderer which AFAIK does not use cairo)

Ponny · Postby **Ponny** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:01 pm

Meow

It's been a year since the last published version of the program inkscape. (0.48.2 - September 6 2011) And still nothing.
Hmmmmm, maybe the develepment of inkscape is stopped?

Ponny

v1nce · Postby **v1nce** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:46 pm

Ponny wrote:About "mijau". Yes, that's it. In slovenian, cat says mijav.

In french it's "miaou".

Nobody cares ? ok

tititou36 · Postby **tititou36** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:09 pm

On sf.net, we can find a 0.48.3 and even a 0.48.3.1 version (http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscap ... /inkscape/)
Are these versions "official" and the website is not up to date ?

On the other side, inkscape.org and the wiki (http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape) states that 0.48.2 is the official version and that 0.48.3 is an upcoming version.

Should the web site not be uptodate, could it be updated ?

I'm quite lost...
Thanks in advance

Postby **brynn** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:00 am

Welcome to the forum!

Please see this discussion....although it may just make you more confused. Personally, I couldn't be more confused. viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12627

The short version is that 0.48.3.1 is a bug fix release and doesn't contain any new features. 0.49 will be the next major version release, expected at least a year from now, and personally I suspect it will be much longer than a year. You can find info on Inkscape.org

prokoudine · Postby **prokoudine** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:11 pm

brynn wrote:0.49 will be the next major version release, expected at least a year from now, and personally I suspect it will be much longer than a year.

Or maybe we are preparing an alpha release of v0.49

Postby **brynn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:56 pm

I probably shouldn't even ask (because the answer will probably too technical for me to understand). But what's the difference between alpha release and regular stable release?

Postby **druban** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:02 am

brynn wrote:But what's the difference between alpha release and regular stable release?

Alpha and Beta releases are released before bugs have been found and worked out so users can report them to programmers. as you might guess, the alpha release is more prone to bugs than the Beta. From the ubiquitous Wikipedia:

Alpha software can be unstable and could cause crashes or data loss. The exception to this is when the alpha is available publicly (such as a pre-order bonus), in which developers normally push for stability so that their testers can test properly. External availability of alpha software is uncommon in proprietary software. However, open source software, in particular, often have publicly available alpha versions, often distributed as the raw source code of the software. The alpha phase usually ends with a feature freeze, indicating that no more features will be added to the software. At this time, the software is said to be feature complete.

I notice from Uwe Scholer's last build that the Path effects dialog has been cleaned up to remove the nonfuctioning or deprecated effects, this sort of feature freeze indicates that development of new features is being halted in advance of an alpha release.

Postby **brynn** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:16 pm

Well, I had heard of beta releases, which I understood not to be stable. So I was thinking alpha might be the more stable step towards the final release. But I guess it's the other way around. Thanks druban (and Sim).

The problem with that though, meaning the problem with putting out a 0.49 alpha, instead of a 0.48.3.1 stable, is that we have much longer wait until the next stable release. And I guess I'm only speaking of Mac users, who are STILL waiting for 0,48.3.1! (My recent related topic.)

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:49 pm

brynn wrote:The problem with that though, meaning the problem with putting out a 0.49 alpha, instead of a 0.48.3.1 stable, is that we have much longer wait until the next stable release. (…)

Who said it is an either/or situation? It is not. Please stop worrying about non-issues and spreading wrong rumors here in the forum.

Alpha/Beta/RC releases of the sources for the upcoming next major version 0.49 will not be instead of bug-fix releases in the current stable 0.48 series, nor will they be responsible for delays of bug-fix releases (and packaging) in the current stable 0.48 series.
Alpha/Beta/RC releases are not “delaying” the final release of the next major stable version 0.49 either, they are part of the regular release process (not only for Inkscape).

Postby **brynn** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:54 am

suv wrote:Who said it is an either/or situation?

prokoudine wrote:Or maybe we are preparing an alpha release of v0.49

Note the word "Or"! What would you expect me to think from that sentence?

Also

suv wrote:Please stop worrying about non-issues and spreading wrong rumors here in the forum.

This is dangerously close to a personal attack, and I do not appreciate it. If you wish to offer a different interpretation, please state your interpretation without making accusations. Even your freakishly keen understanding of technical issues, and apparently eidetic memory will not prevent you from being banned, if you make personal attacks on other members. I say that as a moderator. Personally, I'm offended.

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:22 am

«So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.»

prokoudine · Postby **prokoudine** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:01 pm

I've no idea how you ended up with all these consequences.

0.49 is not that far away. We hope to cut alpha release soon. After that it will take several months to finalize the release. Personally I expect it to take at least 3 or 4 months (translators alone will get a month to do their work), it could easily be more.

It seems we are not able to fix platform-specific bugs in a timely manner. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Postby **druban** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:16 am

brynn wrote:Even your freakishly keen understanding of technical issues, and apparently eidetic memory

i would love to be described in these terms (although I guess freakishly semisharp is the best I should hope for), but I wonder if some folks might not be offended ...

I kind of understand about this being a non-issue though. There are development releases for those who really want to see fixes and features not in the current stable release, and for people who don't want to risk the instability there is the 'stable' release.
If you want to see the progress being made you should check out the development releases, though they might not tell you exactly what will be in the very next 'stable' release, they will show what leaps and bounds people are makng with the program.

Issues of timing are not relevant (non-issues, perhaps). Inkscape is far from dormant, and provocative comments like this one

Ponny wrote:It's been a year since the last published version of the program inkscape. (0.48.2 - September 6 2011) And still nothing.
Hmmmmm, maybe the develepment of inkscape is stopped?

IMO should be taken in hand by the moderators immediately, not indulged. As just a user on the forum i don't feel right asking people, "What are you trying to start with that comment?" but i wouldn't mind if a moderator did!

Inkscape news is posted here as well, and may be a more immediate source of information. Maybe the moderator(s) could add it to the list of helpful links in their signature?

Postby **brynn** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:13 pm

druban wrote:Issues of timing are not relevant (non-issues, perhaps). Inkscape is far from dormant, and provocative comments like this one
Ponny wrote:It's been a year since the last published version of the program inkscape. (0.48.2 - September 6 2011) And still nothing.
Hmmmmm, maybe the develepment of inkscape is stopped?
IMO should be taken in hand by the moderators immediately, not indulged. As just a user on the forum i don't feel right asking people, "What are you trying to start with that comment?" but i wouldn't mind if a moderator did!

Inkscape news is posted here as well, and may be a more immediate source of information. Maybe the moderator(s) could add it to the list of helpful links in their signature?

I didn't respond to Ponny's comment because I and others have previously explained the situation to her (assuming "her") in this and other topics. I didn't realize that not replying to it would be perceived as indulging the comment. Rather I thought not replying to it would be perceived as ignoring it.

Unfortunately, signature space is extremely limited here. If a link to google+ can be made with 42 characters or less, I will replace the image in my signature, with a link to it. There are maybe 5 or 6 more spare characters in my sig, at the moment, from what I can tell. So maybe up to 48 characters. But I doubt that having that link will do much to answer people's questions about this.

prokoudine wrote:I've no idea how you ended up with all these consequences.

~suv has insulted me publicly on this forum, on numerous occassions, but this is by far the worst, and I lost my patience. I apologize to ~suv. But at the same time, I won't stand for public insults, to me or any member. Personal attacks are forbidden by the forum rules, and as a moderator, I'm bound to uphold them.

Please note that I only ask questions in the forum, in order to learn the answers. I'm not trying to cause a riot. I don't have any hidden agenda. I'm not a passive-aggressive kind of person. If I'm upset about something, I won't be cryptic about it. I'll just say it right out. If I have questions, I ask for answers.

When prokoudine said

Or maybe we are preparing an alpha release of v0.49

I thought he meant that developers were considering not even making 0.48.3.1 available for Mac users (it's still my understanding that it has not been released for Mac) and instead, releasing 0.49 early. I thought that because he said "Or". Apparently that was a misunderstanding.

What would have been nice, was someone kindly correcting my misunderstanding, rather than accusing me of spreading rumors. I'm only trying to learn about development issues, so that I am able to answer questions about them, when they are posted. Perhaps I should just leave questions about development unanswered. Or maybe I should answer them with a link the the dev mailing list. If anyone has any suggestions for how I should handle them, I would gladly consider them. (But please do it via PM

)

All best

Postby **druban** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:15 am

brynn wrote:Rather I thought not replying to it would be perceived as ignoring it.

hey, that's my policy, too. Funny how i always think of irritating people as guys, though...

Although i suspect i am being unfair to the OP who sounds like they might be around twelve years old. Apologies if that is wrong, and even if it is right. I hope that is not considered a personal attack. I love twelve-year olds! Oh, now that sounds so wrong... I give up.

brynn wrote:Unfortunately, signature space is extremely limited here. If a link to google+ can be made with 42 characters or less, I will replace the image in my signature, with a link to it. There are maybe 5 or 6 more spare characters in my sig, at the moment, from what I can tell. So maybe up to 48 characters.

I did not know that, I just assumed signature space was an unlimted resource to be exploited, like gasoline, avocados, and your patience. I do think it's worth pointing out to people who want to know what progress is being made with the development that they can look these things up themselves....

Postby **brynn** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:21 pm

Ok, literally there is not one spare character in my sig now! Had to leave out the colon (:) after "news". But I think that will work?

Oh no, Ponny's a sweet person (I'm thinking young woman). Just perhaps confused about this issue. And that's certainly not surprising, since I'm pretty confused myself! Plus she has double struggle understanding, because of not being a native English speaker. I guess the bottom line is that we just wait, and have fun with Inkscape, while waiting

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