Gradient handler = Weak.

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Linkert
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Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby Linkert » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:03 am

Yeap, i love the software but for a vector editor it has one "bleh" gradient editor/handler..

¤ No option to save custom gradients. Non that I have found..
¤ The idea of giving each object a new gradient in the list is bleh! Why not have a library where you can add/remove/apply gradients, and if I edit a existing one it should not affect the objects using it.. (Yes, the Photoshop way :))
¤ Can't move a stop up and down in the list.
¤ No way to use :tool_dropper: when selecting a color for on of the stops.
¤ Can't change the offset for the top and bottom stops.
¤ linearGradient3165 does not say very much to me.. You should be able to name the gradients if we're still going use the "each-object-gets-it's-own-gradient-in-the-list"-system.

I'm quite new to this software so you might be able to do some of these things, but if so, these functions seem to be hidden somewhere in a deep cave where the evil dragon lives..

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby Simarilius » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:13 am

  • swatches are planned to do this, Just hasnt been done yet.
  • Theres arguements both ways for sharing/seperate. and theres implementation issues on both. Again, the library thing is the plans for swatches.
  • Nope, and not aware of being asked for it before, feel free to file a feature request.
  • Select the gradient tool, select the object with the gradient, then select the dropper tool, and you can select stops then pick colors freely
  • Gradient names are something thats been on the list to sort for a long time, just needs someone with the time to do it.

Having said all that, I know there is at least one dev currently working on gradient tool related stuff, so some of this may be getting covered.

One other point, try and be a little more polite about it, we're coding this on our own time, and you arent paying for it, so a little more thought into how you word your suggestions would be appreciated. The gradient ui is a helluva lot better than the first version of inkscape, try downloading one of the old builds and playing with that and maybe you'll appreciate what you've got a bit more! I very nearly ignored this post cos it put my back up the way it was worded.

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby Linkert » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:33 am

Simarilius wrote:
  • swatches are planned to do this, Just hasnt been done yet.
  • Theres arguements both ways for sharing/seperate. and theres implementation issues on both. Again, the library thing is the plans for swatches.
  • Nope, and not aware of being asked for it before, feel free to file a feature request.
  • Select the gradient tool, select the object with the gradient, then select the dropper tool, and you can select stops then pick colors freely
  • Gradient names are something thats been on the list to sort for a long time, just needs someone with the time to do it.

Having said all that, I know there is at least one dev currently working on gradient tool related stuff, so some of this may be getting covered.

One other point, try and be a little more polite about it, we're coding this on our own time, and you arent paying for it, so a little more thought into how you word your suggestions would be appreciated. The gradient ui is a helluva lot better than the first version of inkscape, try downloading one of the old builds and playing with that and maybe you'll appreciate what you've got a bit more! I very nearly ignored this post cos it put my back up the way it was worded.

All right sounds swell!

I was mean?, oh then I apologise!

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby microUgly » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:58 am

Linkert wrote:¤ No option to save custom gradients. Non that I have found..

As a work around to lack of swatches, I create a layer called "Resources" where I create an object for each gradient that I can refer to. You can take these objects to different drawings or save them in the default template if you want to always have access to them.
The idea of giving each object a new gradient in the list is bleh! Why not have a library where you can add/remove/apply gradients, and if I edit a existing one it should not affect the objects using it.. (Yes, the Photoshop way

So basically, when gradient sharing is not enabled, the list of gradients should not display duplicates. I don't think this is a bad idea.
¤ Can't move a stop up and down in the list.

You mean so they overtake one another. That's something I have wanted also. Sometimes you want to swap stops around but the only way to do that currently is by copying and pasting the colour code between them.
¤ Can't change the offset for the top and bottom stops.

The top and bottom stop define the start and end of the gradient. I don't understand what function it would provide to be able to change their offset since it would be the same a moving the start and end of the gradient. Is this something Photoshop allows?

I think some of your issues relate directly to the use of the Gradient Editor. For reference, :tool_gradient: was intended to make the Gradient Editor redundant. You might find working with gradients easier if you ignore the Gradient Editor and get used to using the gradient tool.

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby [ru]fuchs » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:36 pm

I think some of your issues relate directly to the use of the Gradient Editor. For reference, :tool_gradient: was intended to make the Gradient Editor redundant. You might find working with gradients easier if you ignore the Gradient Editor and get used to using the gradient tool.

just to comment, it's really quite smart to use :tool_dropper: along with :tool_gradient: to set a color for certain gradient nodes.. really love this feature in latest Inkscape. ;)
Topicstarter, you should check it out some time..

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby hellocatfood » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:43 pm

Now if they could make the gradient path editable i.e. bending it then that's one step closer to gradient meshes!
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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby Simarilius » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:17 am

Its not doable within the SVG spec.
There is some devel work looking at doing a gradient mesh type effect using blurs, theres a 'toy' in the 2geom SVN that does it, its just not in inkscape yet.
http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/gal ... mental.png
shows the 2geom toy.

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby Gabriel Zackari » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:10 pm

I agree the gradient handler should be quite high priority since its something that one constantly use.

You should not be able to change the position of the first and the last stop. You can not do that in photoshop.
From a UI perspective you should consider to remove or grey out the position handles of these to stops.

What would be a high priority for me would be:
Mirror a gradient.
This would be very useful when you have circle gradients which can be mirrored with the gradient tool.

Change positions of the stops (move a stop up or down one position) This would swap the positions of two stops or move one stop just next to the other side of the first stop.
It is not possible to do with the gradient tool.

Change the hue/saturn/contrast of the full gradient.

When you use the gradient tool to edit a gradient it creates a new unique gradient. It would be neat with an option to not create a new gradient but to edit that exact gradient.

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby microUgly » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:43 pm

Gabriel Zackari wrote:Mirror a gradient.
This would be very useful when you have circle gradients which can be mirrored with the gradient tool.

You can mirror a gradient already. The option is displayed in dropdown list on the "Fill" tab of the "Fill and Stroke" palette.

When you use the gradient tool to edit a gradient it creates a new unique gradient. It would be neat with an option to not create a new gradient but to edit that exact gradient.

In your Inkscape preferences, under the Misc options, uncheck "Prevent gradient sharing".

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby hellocatfood » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:32 pm

Change the hue/saturn/contrast of the full gradient.


You can already do that to a degree. Under Effects > Colour there's a list of options for modifying the colour. If it's not how you'd like it perhaps submit a feature request? https://launchpad.net/inkscape
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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby bbyak » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:45 am

Gabriel Zackari wrote:What would be a high priority for me would be:
Mirror a gradient.


Shift+R in gradient tool

Gabriel Zackari wrote:Change the hue/saturn/contrast of the full gradient.


Use the Tweak tool in color paint mode, select the channel you want, and make the brush large enough to cover all the gradient, and apply over the object on canvas. Or, use Color extensions or filters.

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Re: Gradient handler = Weak.

Postby microUgly » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:19 am

bbyak wrote:Use the Tweak tool in color paint mode, select the channel you want, and make the brush large enough to cover all the gradient, and apply over the object on canvas.

Neat trick. I would never have thought to do that.


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