Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it me?

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zeropoint101
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Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it me?

Postby zeropoint101 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:14 pm

Ok, I'm new to Inkscape and vector art in general, so this very well may be user error. When I go to make any kind of path using a shape(triangle in, triangle out, ellipse, etc.), if I go into the path effect editor, I see the width is set to 1.000. But the width when I make the path is actually exactly 10 pixels according to my ruler. Meaning the base of the triangle, or the middle of the ellipse, is 10 pixels exactly, not 1 as it should be(right?)

I've made sure my display is set to pixels, not millimeters, or inches, etc. I've looked at everything I can think of in Inkscape preferences and document preferences. I've googled it and searched quite a bit. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've even gone to test it in other dialogs on the same document by, for example, creating a rectangle and using the transform dialog to manually enter the width/height to 1 and to 10 and it works correctly. If I set the measurement to pixels in scale tab of the transform dialog and set the rectangle to be 1 pixel wide. it is exactly 1 unit wide by my ruler, or if I set it to 10, it is exactly 10 units. I'm thinking this has to be bug, but when I'm learning a new program, it usually ends up being user error. Any thoughts, anyone?

Lazur
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Re: Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it

Postby Lazur » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:33 pm

Hi.

It's just that a 10/10 pixel sized circle-shape is given by default to the lpe when the ellipse option is selected.
The path effect's width factor gives a percentage input, not a pixel/mm width.
Meaning, the 1,00 width in the lpe settings will make the pattern appear at 100% scale.

If you want some more control over the size, then set a custom pattern object, and link it as a parent (icon next to the paste from clipboaard, not exactly sure about the jargon).
Then instead of the effect's width setting, scale the original path to exact pixel sizes.

zeropoint101
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Re: Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it

Postby zeropoint101 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:07 am

Ah. That makes sense I suppose. Thank you for the response. I wish something somewhere would explain this in the software though :-/ Hoverovers on every other tool or settings I can find tell whether it's units(and what type), rations, percents, etc.. Is the path effect editor a newer feature? Almost everything I've tried to do in there is confusing and unintuitive. For instance, I've tried setting a custom pattern object using the link button in the path effect editor like you said and for the life of me, I can't figure out how. Also, there appears to be no way to save your settings and the "last used settings" don't seem to apply to the path effect editor. If I want to use the "triangle in" shape to draw some crazy trees and I want to use a width of .65 on 84 different paths(random example), I need to reset the width manually 84 times?

Lazur
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Re: Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it

Postby Lazur » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:41 am

Certainly not.
You can combine all paths together (Ctrl+K) and then add the pattern to all of the subpaths at once.
If it is necessary at all.
I usually scale the pattern to the desired size before linking it into a pattern along path effect, so the default 1 width factor can be suitable.

To draw a tree, I suggest to use the pattern along path lpe on a spiro-path.
Then, for a small branch, four nodes would be enough on the path, and duplicants of it could be tweaked much easier than to make four noded paths with the pencil tool.

zeropoint101
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Re: Path Effect Editor Shape Width displays wrong.. or is it

Postby zeropoint101 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:15 pm

Ok, I did get combine to work this time. I thought that should work, but the last time I tried, I got some very strange effects. However, vector drawing and inkscape are completely new to me and I'm still getting some basics down, so I imagine I just did something wrong.

It's still not ideal for what I'd like though, but it will work well enough for now. I like to see it in real time as I'm drawing rather than changing them all at once with combine. I'd like if it would just retain the width *if I want it to* as so many other tools retain their settings when you have them set to "last setting used", and I'm just not sure why it won't work that way. Even though I have other options to get the desired look, can anyone tell me... is this a bug? is this intended? is there a way to make it retain it's setting that I'm not aware of?


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