Hi..
So I've hit some button to lock pattern handles...perhaps someone can help.

When I say lock, I mean when I move the pattern handles they move as if they're all connected and scale equally (as if I were holding down the ctrl key).
But I don't want that, I want to be able to move the handles in any direction...

thoughts?
thanks
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Consult here first:
http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL ... s-Patterns

maybe:

Note

If you want a Pattern to transform with an object, you must toggle on this option using the icon icon that is in the Tool Controls when the Select Tool is in use.

I'm not sure that's what ait is talking about. This actually happened to me the other day, and I got sidetracked, and never got around to investigating. However, at this time, I'm unable to recreate the problem.

Can you give us me info about your pattern? Or better yet, if you could attach the SVG file, we could investigate. If it's a custom pattern, made from an imported image, be sure the image is embedded (not linked), before uploading.

Edit
Also, what Inkscape version and operating system?

Ok,
System,
windows 2007, 64 bit
Inkscape .91 (the one that just came out)..

I wrote a whole response and somehow it's not here...
however, my response was that I couldn't exactly create the same effect and it seems Brynn might be familiar with what I'm talking about.
In the attached file the shapes with patterns can be skewed without resnapping or being scaled.
However, the red square with black stroke cannot. When I skew that shape it does automatically resize..

And a related, or not, problem...that silver arc on the bottom, I can't set a stroke at all. And when I try to adjust the opacity of the stroke, it changes the opacity of the fill.

At any rate, the main question here is what is causing that automatic snapping...

Oh, and in regards to reading the manual, it's useful but a bit outdated now with the new inkscape. For example, I can't find that button Hulf mentioned..

thanks for the help and thoughts...
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Well now, I'm not so sure I understand the problem.

In your file, the skewed rectangle with green dot pattern (and the grid pattern too), when you move the square handle (which normally adjusts the pattern horizontally or vertically), the circle handle (which normally rotates the pattern) moves too. I've never seen that before! And it's different than what I mentioned seeing the other day.

What happened for me, is that the square handle would only move diagonally. I could not move it only up or only to the side. It would only adjust the pattern by keeping it in proportion. And as I also mentioned, I got distracted and never tracked it down.

But in this case, when you move the square handle, the circle handle moves at the same time. How can that happen?

But now your 2nd description doesn't seem like the same thing. What snapping behavior do you mean? Maybe it's something specific to your preferences, and it's not happening for me?

I'm still investigating....whether I'm on to the same problem as you, I'm not sure. But anyone else who wants to chime in, please do

The silver arc is actually the letter n, rotated on its side (green stroke, gray gradient fill), and clipped with the arc shape (although I can't seem to locate the clipping path??) All these kinds of things happen quite commonly, when new Inkscape users jump in with both feet, and set about to experiment (which I actually highly recommend, it's a great way to learn!). But it does make it quite tricky to sort out exactly what was done, and how the new user got to that place!

Oh, I found the clipping path! It has no fill and unset stroke.

Anyway, I'm still investigating....

The icons I mention are those at the top right of this image, which are surrounded with a red rectangle



About the arc, It's cliped... please see here:

mmm.... reading brynn response... When a shape get skewed, also the handles of the pattern get skewed... If you somehow, erase the skew transformation, you can see the handles in their normal positions, which is to rect angle with the "x" position handle. I think that situation is what you and brynn found it anoying.

Perhaps it's not the expected behaviour that when skewing, the handles get skewed too. But it is what it is.

anyway good luck

Yes, I see what you're saying hulf.

I tested in a new fresh doc, and it seems the pattern handles....either their behavior has changed, or I just never noticed this before. Anyway, with a brand new custom pattern applied to a circle, the square handle (the manual calls it the scale handle) can move up and down (straight up or down), without the circle handle (manual calls it rotation handle) moving. But if I move the scale handle side to side, the rotation handle moves with it.

As long as the pattern has not been rotated, it's easy to see that behavior. But once you rotate the pattern, it's hard to notice that it is possible to move the scale handle without the rotation handle moving. In both ait's patterns, they are rotated, possibly because the objects that contain them were skewed. Because as hulf noted, skewing the object that contains the patten also skews the pattern (if that option is engaged).

But I can't quite figure out why the handles are working this way. You know most of the time, I assume Inkscape is working as it's intended. But I'm trying to figure out why this is necessary, or maybe it shouldn't be happening. Why does the rotation handle have to move with the scale handle, when moving the scale handle side to side? Why can't they move independently?

Although after all that, I think it's not what ait was concerned about. I'm not seeing any kind of snapping behavior, or the object snapping back to its original shape when skewed.

Hi,
Thanks for everyone's thoughts/comments
So...I'll do the easy part first..the silver arc was (as Brynn noted and after I checked) a clipping problem...thank you for pointing that out, although it's something silly I shouldn't have missed. anyway.

Regarding the skewing...

Well Brynn does bring up a different issue that, while I didn't mention, also bothers me:
"Why does the rotation handle have to move with the scale handle, when moving the scale handle side to side? Why can't they move independently?"

Regarding the snapping, Hulf, thank you for pointing out those icons. I actually had seen them but somehow thought they weren't what I wanted...
(oh...and I do hope the gradient mesh comes out, as an aside...)

Finally, regarding the snapping and automatic resizing, all I can say I guess is when it happened the first time I should have immediately stopped and addressed the problem (and posted those shapes/file), rather than wait a few days and not be able to reproduce the problem.

So, when it happens again I'll be sure to write.
thanks
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