Better guidelines catching/highlighting

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tjindy
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Better guidelines catching/highlighting

Postby tjindy » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:41 pm

Welcome everybody :)

A few months ago was leading graphics classes with people with disabilities. The biggest difficulty was to capture guides in Inkscape . I wish that was possible in Inkscape using the key combination that allows the capture of the guide in its immediate surroundings. I think this will help a group of people more comfortable working with this program.
What do you think about it ?

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tjindy

[EDIT] I changed subject name.
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Re: Better guides catching

Postby brynn » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:23 pm

I don't understand what you mean by "capture guides" and "capture of the guide in its immediate surroundings". I've worked with the disabled community, and am myself disabled, although not by birth. So I would really like to help. But I need to understand what "capture guides" means :D

Do you mean that you would like to be able to create guides with key strokes, rather than dragging them out of the rulers with the mouse? Are you familiar with Object menu > Object to Guide (Shift + G)?

I'm not sure that's what you mean with your use of the word "guide", though?

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Re: Better guides catching

Postby tjindy » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:44 pm

Sorry - it was google translator :D
I`m not strong in english.

Ok, i mean guidelines. You know, thin blue lines on screen ;) And it would be good thing that you can catch (activate?) them not only when your mouse pointer is perfectly above them. For example - pressing some keys and Inkscape knows that now i will trying to change one of guidelines. Now, when pointer is near (not perfectly above) of some guideline - then it turns red (active) so it could be change/move/rorate etc.
Or in another way, snap pointer to nearest guideline (with combination of keys) - also will help ;)

Uff.. day after tomorrow i will have exam from my graduate dissertation.. have to go :D I hope that now everyone understand my first post ;)

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tjindy

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Re: Better guides catching

Postby brynn » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:28 pm

Oooohh!
Highlight a guide. I'm not sure if that would be referred to as "selecting" the guide? But definitely "highlighting". Yes, even for people who have excellent mouse manipulation skills, highlighting a guide requires....almost the most fine motor control of any Inkscape feature, in my opinion. I think that many able bodied, or able fingered people find that frustrating.

There are a couple of settings in Inkscape Preferences > Mouse, where you can set the grab sensitivity, and the click/drag sensitivity. I actually have my grab sensitivity set at 10! But I don't think that affects highlighting or grabbing a guide. I'm not sure why grabbing a guide should be any different from grabbing a node or an object. But even set at 10, I have to be right on top of the guide to grab it.

There are also several options for the mouse that you can set for your whole system. I couldn't offer instructions, because I only know about my mouse. But for example, I can set the speed at which it moves across the screen, set certain mouse gestures, and some other things. I have 4 mouse buttons, and 5 zones on the touchpad, all of which can be set individually. So for example, one of the zones I have set to maximize windows, another to minimize. I have my extra button set to do a double-click, because I find it difficult to double-click. But I can also set the double-click speed if I wanted to. I really find all these extra abilities quite helpful.

And I think in some cases, people with disabilities can use alternative input devices (mouses). For goodness sakes, if I were to set about to create the worst possible ergonomic mouse for myself, it would be the traditional mouse! I use a touchpad mouse and love it. And it entirely depends on personal preference or ability, as to which type of mouse is best. But there are several different types. I think a trackball mouse might be a good solution for many people with disabilities.

And after saying all that, I agree that it would be nice to have some kind of keyboard control of the guides. Or at least have the grab sensitivity affect grabbing guides :D

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Re: Better guides catching

Postby PatJr » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:29 am

hummm yea, a few more options for the guides would be nice, guess thats the case for almost everything though

I think it's only a little easier if point the mouse cursor at that little ball thingy on the guide line.

some ideas maybe you already thought of
use the objects>guides, kind of a pita to make a new object, delete the old one and convert to a guide for only a small movement
maybe set-up a layer for guide markers, has some extra benefits with coloring objects, setting areas that have color or shape but you lose the snapping
maybe you could change the mouse setting in your desktop control change the acceleration and speed I think some even have a setting for the mouse tip

all leading to yea this can be a pita

sorry, no help
Pat Jr.

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Re: Better guides catching

Postby tjindy » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:18 am

Sorry for my absence - lot of work lately.

Yea, i know about different methods that easily provide better guide management but as i said before - my idea is for people with disabilites - when they have limited (non precisly) movement. I know many of them so i promised them to write here about it :) Of coz, such idea of better guidelines management is rather for people who wants work quickly with less precision but even for beginners with small disabilities it's some kind of oportunity to work like rest of the world ;) I think that they learn that workin with graphics depends of patience.

In fact - it could be usefull for me too :D

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tjindy


PS. @brynn - tried to several settings with mouse preferences but it comes with objects not guidelines. But thanks, now i got 1px in sets :D


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