Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

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woopydalan
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Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby woopydalan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:38 am

Hello,

I am trying to make some 1.5 x 1.5 cm square boxes on the paper with inkspace. Of course, a paper is 8.5 by 11 inches, so I want to post a few rows and columns of those boxes to print multiple boxes. I can just do control copy and paste them, but they aren't lined up because I am doing it manually with my mouse.

Also, I want to post the box on both sides of the paper. I am going to print wax on so that chemicals remained contained within the square box. How do I make it so that it prints the box on both sides of the sheet at identical locations?

Thanks

woopydalan
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby woopydalan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:04 pm

I got all the squares lined and centered on the paper, now all I need to do is to also print them on the back of the paper on the same locations as the front, so they line up. How do I do that?
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Lazur
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby Lazur » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:07 pm

Hello,

Your rectangles are not all squares, some of them have a width of 14,997 instead of 15 millimetres.
They are not aligned in rows and columns that are in even distances from eachother, nor the rectangles are aligned in an axis.
Which alone would prevent it from printing accurately on both sides.
Which accurate printing is only possible, if you have a printer that prints on both sides at the same time.
Also the margin at the bottom may also be too small.

So.

Preferably redraw the whole thing from scratch, using tiled clones/align and distribute panel/rows and columns option, and head to a printing firm.
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rich2005
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby rich2005 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:08 pm

As the previous post it is a mess.

This is the first 'square' (red) evenly distributed over the existing squares (gray)

http://i.imgur.com/Olv6jt2.jpg

Still possible to print the original however.

Make a rectangle the same size as the paper. Set the size manually so the origin is 0,0
Shows here as yellow so you can see it but you would set to no stroke or fill.

http://i.imgur.com/6jKqh3L.jpg

Now select everything and group.
For printing the reverse side use the horizontal flip tool before printing.

http://i.imgur.com/tboulHu.jpg

woopydalan
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby woopydalan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:46 am

How did you do the part with the red squares? If I select all my boxes, can I make it so that they all have the same size without manually going through each box?

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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby Lazur » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:10 am

rich2005 wrote:As the previous post it is a mess.

This is the first 'square' (red) evenly distributed over the existing squares (gray)

Image


Do you realise you drew 7*13 squares over the original 8*14?


rich2005 wrote:Still possible to print the original however.

Make a rectangle the same size as the paper. Set the size manually so the origin is 0,0
Shows here as yellow so you can see it but you would set to no stroke or fill.

Image

Now select everything and group.
For printing the reverse side use the horizontal flip tool before printing.

Image


By flipping the paper in the printer, you cannot guarantee they will mach exactly.


woopydalan wrote:How did you do the part with the red squares? If I select all my boxes, can I make it so that they all have the same size without manually going through each box?


If you check my previously attached svg, the squares are clones of a parent one, which makes all of them appear the same, just as with the tiled clones in action depicted by rich2005.

You cannot change an object to be a clone of another object, you can make clones only from the start.


http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Tiles.html

http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Align.html#Align-Align

http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Align.html#Align-Grid

rich2005
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby rich2005 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:45 am

Do you realise you drew 7*13 squares over the original 8*14?


Sorry, having one of those senior moments.

By flipping the paper in the printer, you cannot guarantee they will mach exactly.


However I did print the original off (Brother inkjet with not the greatest of paper feeds), both sides and they do match

edit:
Obviously you can not flip horizontally if the object does not fill the page. Much better if the grid is symmetrical but there might be good reasons for it being offset, punch holes for example.

Firing up the desktop again. The original flipped.
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woopydalan
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby woopydalan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:00 am

rich,

The one you are posting doesn't look like all the squares are the same size. Also, they aren't lined up. Is this supposed to be ready to print? If I could just get the squares that are printed on both sides so that they match. I just need to print wax onto the paper, and the wax will go into the paper. The point is that the chemicals will be contained within the squares and can't bleed out.

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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby rich2005 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:38 pm

..The one you are posting doesn't look like all the squares are the same size. Also, they aren't lined up...


That is because it is a copy of your graphic, which was flipped horizontally as previous posts. You spent a long time on it so why change anything.

It would be better if you started from scratch and followed the procedures for creating a tiled array, you will learn more that way.

However, again using your original image, but this time using the correct number of rows & columns a new graphic.

I still used the first (top left) square 15x15 mm as a source and start position, then the bottom right as end position.

To keep it all together the sides are on layers so you would print one side, swap layer visibility and print the other side.

layers dialog looks like this http://i.imgur.com/EGheeCC.jpg your original is on the bottom for reference.

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For printing only one comment and it depends on the printer model. That bottom row is very close to the bottom of the paper (A4). my Brother inkjet requires more than that to feed the paper through. A laser printer should be better.

Proof of the pudding, here it is held up to the light to see any mis-match. http://i.imgur.com/kB3FhWs.jpg

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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby woopydalan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:56 pm

Lazur URH wrote:Hello,

Your rectangles are not all squares, some of them have a width of 14,997 instead of 15 millimetres.
They are not aligned in rows and columns that are in even distances from eachother, nor the rectangles are aligned in an axis.
Which alone would prevent it from printing accurately on both sides.
Which accurate printing is only possible, if you have a printer that prints on both sides at the same time.
Also the margin at the bottom may also be too small.

So.

Preferably redraw the whole thing from scratch, using tiled clones/align and distribute panel/rows and columns option, and head to a printing firm.


I don't understand how to use the tiled clones/align and distrubute panel/rows and columns option. How can I make one 15x15 mm square, then print a few of them in rows and columns and have them line up so I can print them on the back? I don't know how to use this software. You guys aren't making any sense to me unfortunately =(

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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby druban » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:42 pm

In addition to all the nice tips you have gotten here, I would add that you might have better luck just filling in the whole space in between squares with wax so you don't have to depend on perfect alignment.
Your mind is what you think it is.

rich2005
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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby rich2005 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:34 pm

@ woopydalan

I don't understand how to use the tiled clones/align and distrubute panel/rows and columns option. How can I make one 15x15 mm square, then print a few of them in rows and columns and have them line up so I can print them on the back?..


I have a bit of sympathy for you, as with most graphics applications (except maybe etch-a-sketch) there is a steep learning curve, and I am not that much ahead of you.

Here is a little video, only 7 minutes, so not too arduous. Just a demo that should get you started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATX8beEVTGA&hd=1 hope it helps

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Re: Help with squares and printing on both sides of paper

Postby serenajames » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:24 pm

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