Hi Friends,
I've noticed in the new 0.48, that when you select a node, the info about that node no longer appears in the info area -- it used to say something like "1 of ## nodes selected, cusp, one handle retracted" or "1 of ## nodes selected, end node". Among other uses, I used to depend on that to identify end nodes, while doing a lot of node editing. Also I could use that info to avoid zooming, so as to actually see what it is. Now it just says "1 of ## nodes selected"

I have to think this was done on purpose, for some reason. Or is it another bug? I've done my best to search Launchpad, but don't find any reported bugs, which supports my thought that it is intended.

This is in 0.48 last stable release, on Windows 7 64-bit.

Can someone confirm and/or explain why? (~suv maybe?)
Thanks for your help

brynn wrote:Can someone confirm and/or explain why? (~suv maybe?)

I can confirm that the new node tool's messages in the status bar slightly differ from what it used to be in Inkscape 0.47. Several issues about status bar hints were discussed in a long thread about the new node tool in the mailing-list (Subject: node tool testing), and some have been changed to match the old behavior. About the remaining differences - I suggest to file a new report if information about the (sub-)paths and nodes is no longer displayed and can't be found out otherwise.

Note: I haven't yet tracked down the details about what differs how, and what was the argument for the changed behavior in the mailing-list thread... (posting the link to the earlier discussion instead). Maybe similar to the snapping changes (lost shortcuts) an overview/comparison (table) of the old / current status bar hints and their contexts might help?

Hi Brynn! I am trying to replicate your issue but it is not exactly like you said on my system (WinXP x86). Specifically, I notice that although I get all the info on the node when the cursor is over it, when the cursor moves away from the node it goes to saying '1 of __ nodes selected'. And when i hover over nonselected nodes it will give me the info on that node and not the selected node so it kind of makes sense this way ...
One thing I notice - and I don't know if this is your issue - is that the cursor has to be pretty accurately over the node to display the info. Close enough doesn't seem to work at all.Maybe this is what has changed...

I'll be glad to file a bug report, once we have put all our heads together, and figured out what happens in what systems, etc.

First, I was not aware that info was displayed by simply mousing over something. I only ever look at the info area after I have selected something. This may open up a whole new world for me!

I no longer have 0.47, so can only test according to my memory. (But it is an excellent memory as far as node editing, because I do it a lot.) In 0.47 (on both my systems -- Win7, 64-bit and WinXPsp3) the info displayed with a node selected would say some combination of: 1 of ## nodes selected, cusp, smooth, end node, with one handle retracted, with both handles retracted. If it was an end node, then cusp, smooth and handle info was not reported. In 0.48, on my Win7, 64-bit, it only says: 1 of ## nodes selected. I haven't installed 0.48 on my WinXPsp3 machine yet, so can't report yet.

When I mouse over a node on Win7, 64-bit, it says either smooth or cusp, but does not indicate handles or if it is an end node. Can't report for WinXPsp3 yet.

So what is missing from my end, from both a selected node and moused over node, is: whether it is an end node, and handle status. The only other way to find out is to zoom in really close.

I don't see a table feature in this text editor, and haven't been using html lately, so the proper tags don't come to mind. Otherwise I'd start a simple table.

Hi again,
Ok, just want to pick this back up again, and hopefully bring info together in order to file bug report. I read through the link ~suv provided from the mailing list on Node Tool Testing, which reported the same issue, but nothing significant was reported subsequently (on item #12....item #15 received some attention). So here's what we have by my reckoning:

• With nodes selected, 0.47 info area, it used to say something like "1 of ## nodes selected, cusp, one handle retracted" or "1 of ## nodes selected, end node". Details:
  some combination of: 1 of ## nodes selected, cusp, smooth, end node, with one handle retracted, with both handles retracted. If it was an end node, then cusp, smooth and handle info was not reported. (WinXPsp3, 0.47 stable release)
• With nodes selected, 0.48 info area, now says "1 of ## nodes selected". (Win7, 64-bit, 0.48 stable release)

• With mouseover nodes, 0.47 info area -- I don't know, never noticed, and no longer have 0.47 installed.
• With mouseover nodes, selected or unselected, 0.48 info area, says only "Smooth node" or "Cusp node". (Win7, 64-bit, 0.48 stable release)

I much preferred the 0.47 functionality. But I could get by with 0.48, if "End node" was reported somewhere, anywhere (selected or mousedover). I do a lot of node editing, and really need to know which nodes are end nodes.

Druban reports that on WinXP, all the node info IS reported on mouseover of selected nodes:

I notice that although I get all the info on the node when the cursor is over it, when the cursor moves away from the node it goes to saying '1 of __ nodes selected'

One thing I notice - and I don't know if this is your issue - is that the cursor has to be pretty accurately over the node to display the info. Close enough doesn't seem to work at all.Maybe this is what has changed...

I don't think I answered this before. But no, that's not the issue. The node changes color when the mouse is in place, so that there can be no mistake.

Is this enough info to take to Launchpad, or should I wait for more reports? Or maybe it's been fixed by now?
Thanks for your help

Confirmed: the information about the 'handle(s) retracted' and 'end node' state of the selected node is no longer provided in the new node tool (Inkscape 0.48 and development branch).

Did I miss any important node types/combinations in the test path?

brynn wrote:Is this enough info to take to Launchpad, or should I wait for more reports? (…)

IMHO it is enough information: file the specific issue (request to provide the same detailed information in 0.48 about selected nodes as in 0.47, specifically about the state of the handles and end node).

brynn wrote:(…) Or maybe it's been fixed by now?

No - the issue hasn't been addressed in the development branch either.

Thanks ~suv.

Did I miss any important node types/combinations in the test path?

I don't see a smooth end node. But I'm not sure the type of an end node matters?
Also don't see a smooth/auto-amooth combination.

Bug #654783