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[Moini]

No, you can choose one unit for all number fields per document, by changing the value of 'display units' in the document properties.
All other unit settings for single number fields are temporary (as written above).

If you want / need something different, feel free to make a feature request in our brand new bug tracker (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), after scanning the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape) for an existing request for this. If you find an old request, please transfer its info to the new tracker.

[cc]

Moini, you had mentioned possibly making a default template for me, am I understanding that what I am looking to do is more complex than creating a default template for me?

[brynn]

Upon launching Inkscape, within the same open page document, when I draw with Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, or Bezier, ALL strokes are 1.33 INCHES, the equivalent size of 1.00 Point but STILL the dialog box gives me Inches, not points. I go back & select each object, change the unit to points (the width or girth visually remains the same because 1.33 Inches = 1.00 Point, fine.) So, yes while I have the page opened, these remain constant every time selected (unless I physically change the stroke size or unit).

Unless I'm misunderstanding, isn't that what you want?  Once you change the unit in Fill and Stroke dialog, it stays the same until you change it again.

Oh I see.  When you close and re-open Inkscape, it's gone back to inches again.  I don't know, I think that might be the best Inkscape can do, for what you want.

All except Star/Polygon... even though I have stroke set to 1.00 Point from the last objects drawn. After having selected POINTS, I draw a new star/polygon and it defaults to a size of 0.720 PT

I'm not sure why the Star tool is doing that.  What is it set for in Inkscape Preferences?

Yes, setting the Display Units in Document Properties changes the units everywhere.  Based on all the testing and troubleshooting we've just done, I think what you want is just not possible.  I think the best Inkscape can do, is when you open a new document, change the units in Fill and Stroke, and it will stay that way, as long as the doc is open.

Moini seems to suggest there might be a way to do what you want with a custom document template.  I don't know any way, so I'll be interested to learn what she's thinking (although there's a good chance I won't understand it  )

In your first message, you reported using 0.92.2, which Moini thinks might have a bug related to units.  Are you using it for some specific reason?  Or was that a typing error?

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Oh... I see.

Well, I too will be interested in learning what she's thinking (although there's a better than good chance I won't understand it!) However I am waiting to see what her thoughts are prior to my posting (per her suggestion) to (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), I've also done a scan of the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape)

Nope, not a typo...  I am using 0.92.2, (I upgraded from 0.91) only because as per the https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-0.92.4/ site, It states the following:
"Note:
There is no .dmg file for macOS at this time.
If you're looking for a .dmg file for Inkscape, please use Inkscape 0.92.2 on macOS."

When I FIRST found Inkscape I attempted for far too many wasted hours (days) to "Build" Inkscape with both "Homebrew" & "Macports" --the first I'd heard of either of those things, & to no avail. A big, huge FAIL.... I haven't a clue about the "building" process, (I've no programming/tech skills, knowledge --AT ALL). I attempted to do so with some youtube tuts... not knowing what on earth I was doing & in the end, nothing worked. I had to go with the 0.91 version that came with .dmg files for Mac. Likewise, per the site, the only .dmg files for Mac currently are 0.92.2 so we lowly Mac users are designated a bit behind the technological advances in Inkscape.

[brynn]

Nope, not a typo...  I am using 0.92.2, (I upgraded from 0.91) only because as per the https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-0.92.4/ site, It states the following:
"Note:
There is no .dmg file for macOS at this time.
If you're looking for a .dmg file for Inkscape, please use Inkscape 0.92.2 on macOS."

Oh right!  Sorry that didn't click right away.  We'll cross our fingers for Moini's idea 

[cc]

Ok, will do... I'm thinking I may also post a new bug report... I went to both the gitlab & old bug site, I first searched through the 5004 files via an advanced search regarding "Units of Measure", thankfully found only 21 results pertaining to this subject. I did see a similar one: #1654828 'Need Document Properties setting for non-global Preferences>Tools>Text>Text units" reported by Edward J on 2017-01-08

However, I'm not exactly sure this is the same request since it references non-global (I'm guessing that's opposite of what I'm hoping to achieve) though in this user's line here:
"Some users may want to use the same units for everything in an image to keep things simple but the document specific "Default units" doesn't include text so they won't be able to use a specific unit for a specific document's text without changing the global option which can be undesirable."

It's sounding similar, but... I wish to have Stroke & Font/Text specifically able to set a Separate unit of measure (personally Points) by Default. WHILE keeping the options within the Tools Dialog Box on page themselves; IF I should need to change on occasion a unit of measure, e.g. from Points to Pixels or Inches. AND then set another Separate unit of measure by Default (personally INCHES) for other areas, Page, Ruler, Measurement, Object Dimensions etc. Is a default setting what is meant by Global?

Was this Edward J's request already included into the Mac 0.92.2 update (idk)? Also, I'm not sure whether it makes a difference but Edward J request is for his Windows vs a Mac as I'm on, (don't know how different the coding would be for such things).

If you think it's similar & I can ADD my request to it, I have created an account on GitLab and I will include his request tied to mine. I'm just not certain we're requesting the same things.

But, will also keep my eyes open here for Moini's thoughts & ideas...  Thank you Brynn!

[Moini]

Yes, this request cannot be solved with a default template. It only took quite long to understand what exactly you want.

As we're currently starting to migrate bugs, why not make a new one for this on gitlab, and then link to the old one on launchpad, that asks for the same (as far as you describe it, I didn't read) thing in a more limited scope. If you could then also add a comment on the launchpad bug, you might even hear back from Edward J.

[cc]

Oh, I see, darn! But I understand that what I'm looking to achieve may be much more complex to do than I can imagine (especially without any such technical skills as creating software!)

All right, I will put a request into gitlab, per your suggestion. Re: commenting on Launchpad, will that defeat the purpose of having a New bug tracker, commenting on both? And, hearing back from Edward J --the person who posted the request? I can ask if his issue was resolved --if that's what you mean?

Thank you and Brynn both for your expertise, help & patience in getting back to me here, I'm grateful for all the help & education.

PS. Is Gitlab where I would put a request for 4 Color Process, CMYK compatibility? Regarding opening of files with such profiles & outputting files most specifically for Professional Offset Printing Facilities to produce? Because Facilities like these use INK vs LIGHT Spectrum it necessitates the need for CMYK Separations. Important, because CMYK's needed by these facilities FROM art files to be PHYSICALLY, Mass-Produced with High Quality Realistic 'Printed Color' on "Heidelbergs", (the size of huge rooms), with individually Inked Plate Stations vs Cartridges & Toners used on personal printers, or copiers at Print On Demand, type facilities.

[Moini]

I think it would just be nice, because then Edward is invited over to the new tracker, too, and knows what became of his report. And someone who is working on migrating the launchpad bugs to gitlab will then know that this bug report doesn't need to be migrated, as it already is.

It's definitely not resolved.

[brynn]

PS. Is Gitlab where I would put a request for 4 Color Process, CMYK compatibility?

Were you discussing CMYK in a different thread?  There is another recent thread where someone asked about that, and I put them in touch with people who are starting work on it.  It would be better for you to also discuss with them.  And I don't think it's made it to GL yet.

Let me search and remind myself if I already gave you that info somewhere.  And if not, I'll give you the same info.

[brynn]

Ok, here's the thread I was thinking of.  https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?topic=1519.0  I posted a link to a discussion in GL on cmyk.  But I'm not sure if  posting there now will contribute much to the current effort.  But there are links in the GL Issue where I think you can find a more current discussion.

Or Moini might know where a more current discussion is happening?

[cc]

@Moini, per your suggestion I have now posted my request in the NEW bug tracker (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), likewise I've added a comment to this post #1654828 by Edward J on 2017-01-08 on the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape). Hopefully, he sees it & knows to move to the new site. BTW, my Post on GitLab is Titled: "Units of Measure AND CMYK" #85

@Brynn, no, I was not. This is my first initiated thread, & back in 2017, I posted to another Mac user's thread Re: Inkscape 0.92 installation on OSX" & my not being able to install 92 UNTIL the dmg files. But those are all of my conversations...

A recent CMYK thread, fantastic, so others are requesting this too!! YEA!! (Well, of course, they have to be...) I will check that out... and since I was ON GL posting my other issue I also mentioned on THERE, in my post, what I mentioned up above here to Moini on February 07, 2019, 09:07:01 PM Post #32 (^This page in the PS)

**FINGERS CROSSED for this feature, at this point I've yet to figure out how to deal with a lack of 4 Color Process...

Again thank you both for your help & I will check back to see what's happening with CMYK!!

[brynn]

Have you see this tutorial for using Scribus to get CMYK?  https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/getting-cmyk-colors-from-inkscape-to-scribus

And there's a recent new extension for this....it might be in that message thread I gave you above....  Oh, yes it is.  But just for convenience, it's here:  https://inkscape.org/~wout/%E2%98%85output-pro

I guess the native CMYK would be ideal.  But until then, we have these 2.

[cc]

No, I've not, honestly idk what 'Scribus' is? Never heard of it, but when going to this first link: https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/getting-cmyk-colors-from-inkscape-to-scribus I get a dreaded warning, of which I took heed and left, so I have no idea what this was about (*see image).

Wow, there's a lot of conversation happening on that GitLap post re: CMYK project writeup... but looks like this is waiting for a response to see what's happening with regard to a native solution for it?!

Whoa, there are plugins? So like Gimp & Adobe CS, had no idea.... okay 'Output Pro' is there info (for MAC's) on HOW/WHERE to install, & HOW to use it? Thank you.

[brynn]

Oh that's my bad.  I wrote the link wrong, sorry about that.  Where it starts with https://, just take out the "s", and it will open normally.

For Output Pro, it's an external extension, meaning it needs to be installed.  If you go to the Home tab on this website, and down near the bottom, there are instructions I wrote (for newbies) for installing extensions.  But if you don't understand something, just ask.  Well, I mean about installing it.  I've never actually used that one, so I probably can't help with how to use it.

[cc]

Oh, I see --so this site has not been updated with the Google enforced 'Secure' level, & Google has pulled the False Alarm... better safe than sorry.

Wow, that's been the workaround since 2011 & Inkscape 0.48 (never even heard of that version), & the last comment was in 2017? Yikes. I checked out "Scribus" --will have to see if that's do-able, though from what I've read it does not support any filter/gradient etc.  :/

And per the "Output Pro", I cannot seem to find a Mac version, apparently, it's on a "TO DO" list, sigh. Or, am I just missing where it would be? See here's where I believe the downloads are: https://github.com/wout/Inkscape-OUTPUT-PRO  --scroll down to Mac 

[brynn]

Yeah, Libre Graphics World is not as active as it once was.  But the age of that article should give you some idea how long Inkscape users have been needing CMYK.  I don't know anything about google secure.  I think they just aren't using an SSL Certificate, and I assumed they were, and wrote the URL wrong.

You don't need a specific Mac version of the extension.  You just need to install it per the instructions.  Maybe it doesn't work on a Mac, but you can only find out by trying it.  Who knows, maybe the author doesn't take care to keep his info up to date?  Or maybe parts of it would work?  But even if it doesn't work on a Mac, the Scribus route should work.

I'm afraid I don't know anything about whether Scribus supports filters and gradients.  If it didn't back then, maybe it does now??  It's probably had a number of upgrades too.

[cc]

Yes, I saw... that's scary how long there's been no help for building CMYK into Inkscape, I understand, lack of tech help; but frustrating too.

I'd expect they must not be using the SSL Certificate otherwise, the site would redirect to it. Google penalizes, via ranking in searches, those without it.

Uh, sorry? I'm confused because it seems like, per the site that there is no plugin for Mac because there are not any instructions for Mac... (Hence the "To Do", I believe.) It looks like those instructions are for Linux?!

Per Scribus supporting filters and gradients, all I've found is that it does not. I have downloaded the program, will have to test out, when I can.

Really hoping something comes of the CMYK issue... it would be a great help to those of us working with 4 color CMYK, or more if including Spot Colors necessitating Separations for Off-Set Printing facilities. Only because RGB coloring with "LIGHTS" will not transfer to "INK" coloring on either White Paper, Recycled Paper, Folding Carton, or Corrugated, which include multiple industries, and Inkscape could be a perfect solution for such applications.

Again, thank you for your help, it's MUCH appreciated!

[brynn]

Uh, sorry? I'm confused because it seems like, per the site that there is no plugin for Mac because there are not any instructions for Mac... (Hence the "To Do", I believe.) It looks like those instructions are for Linux?!

There is one plugin for all 3 systems.  You could install it if you wanted to.  But it sounds like it doesn't work on  Macs.  So maybe you don't want to bother.

I don't understand those codes in the Linux section.  It looks like you have to install some other things in addition to the basic extension.  I suppose you might expect that there would be other things to install for Macs too, but I don't really know.

[cc]

Sorry, there is ONE plugin, regardless of operating system? Per an online search, resulting in this Thread, someone made reference to it being a Linux extension -->  http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5943&start=25

Even IF this is supposed to be a universal plugin, I HAD downloaded Output Pro, opened the zip file, found it's an "EXEC" file. Exec files are Windows executable which supposedly, are not capable of being run on a Mac, (it seems some Exec files COULD be Unix executable; but most of the time, a Mac would just not know what it is) & is treated as Unknown.

Also, the plugin seems not to have been updated in quite some time, 6+yrs and seemed to act kind of wonky from what I've read. Lastly, there are no installation instructions for Mac. I say this because, although there are MULTIPLE Extensions Folders on Mac, on mine (perhaps on all, idk) there are 44 Extension Folders, plus some 252 (Yes, I searched my Mac) Extension --files, applications or frankly I don't know enough about what they are exactly --to say.

However NOT a single one that follows this Path:
/usr/share/inkscape/extensions

NOR a single one that follows this Path:
.config/inkscape/extensions

And to place files, etc. in hidden folders that are not meant to have such files in them --could be detrimental to the computer, hence Apple HIDING these folders-- like the latter on a .config path.

Which is why I believe it states: "To-do" Beneath Mac OS, under Installation, on the https://github.com/wout/Inkscape-OUTPUT-PRO site, because they have yet to create Mac installation instructions.

Honestly, it's not a matter of "not wanting to bother" OR for lack of trying, but simply, as far as I can tell, this is not a plugin that a Mac can use, & those installation instructions are not pertaining to a Mac. 

[brynn]

This might be a case where investigating deeper is confusing you more than it's helping.  That actually happens to me a lot!

Sorry, there is ONE plugin, regardless of operating system?

Yes, that's how Inkscape extensions work.  You could install the extension if you want to, using the instructions I gave you originally (https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/#how-install-new-extensions-palettes-document-templates-symbol-sets-icon-sets-etc, or if you need simpler instructions, try the Home tab on this website, down towards the bottom). 

But it doesn't sound like it will work after you install it, because as we see for Linux, other things need to be installed.  They would probably need to be installed for a Mac too -- not necessarily the same things that you see in the Linux section, but something similar for Macs, maybe.  I don't really know exactly what would need to be installed.  But as far as I can tell, other things would need to be installed.  It sounds like the author hasn't worked that out yet.

Most Inkscape extensions don't need anything more than the extension file that you download.  This one, and a few others do need extra things.

However NOT a single one that follows this Path:
/usr/share/inkscape/extensions

NOR a single one that follows this Path:
.config/inkscape/extensions

Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions ?  You've got to completely ignore the Linux section for that extension.  It doesn't apply to you on a Mac.  If this author, or someone else ever makes it to work on a Mac, they will tell you the proper place to install everything.  It won't be the same place on a Mac that it is on a Linux.

I'm sure some parts of that extension could be 8 or 10 years old.  The original creator of that extension started it at least that long ago.  They had a working extension for a few years, and then withdrew it, because they wanted to update and improve it.  I never used it, so I don't know how well or not well it might have worked at that time. 

Unfortunately, they stalled out on their new and improved version.  And eventually someone else picked it up, and made it what it is now.  I think that was just a few months ago.  So what it is now, as a whole, is fairly current.  Although parts might be quite old, I don't really know.  So it depends on when those comments that you saw were made, whether they apply to this iteration of this extension, or the first one.

As for hidden files, I had the Windows hidden files unhidden within the first few weeks of using my first computer.  And I've never had a problem.  Software developers use those files to hold things that users need access to (just like Inkscape does).  I can only imagine the internal fights which system developers must have about that.

However, you can always re-hide the files after you install the extension.  I mean, you can re-hide them in Windows.  I don't know about Macs.

[cc]

Unfortunately, all this information, even just as you've provided here, suggesting this likely won't work on a Mac sans, other components, or possibly won't work even WITH these extras is a little too risky for THIS Mac user to just jump in to install it, possibly harming internal necessary folder formats, idk, not being a developer --let alone a System Developer.

I am a long time Mac user (& only Mac, have never used anything else), have had to figure much out for myself primarily because in large corporations where I've worked 'IT departments' never supported the Mac, hence I was on my own. So I do know, to those Developers dismay, how via terminal -etc. to Unhide/Hide those folders but I suspect the majority of Mac users would not, at all. And if something was messed up due to what I did, with my lack of knowledge about the internal workings of the Mac (my actual knowledge on this is approximately .000001% IF I flatter myself...), I would forfeit my Apple support and be left with a lovely looking albeit expensive computer that potentially is malfunctioning if working at all. Because who knows what could potentially... accidentally happen while messing around in the hidden folders, e.g., accidentally moving files, or opening & corrupting files, or the dreaded deletion of a pertinent file!! Ha, through the years I've done all that & worse with my own files that I've created in the SAFE, unhidden zones!!

Per your Q: "Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions?" No, I did not go that route, I searched through my computer for the specific PATHS, using 'EasyFind', which will show all files & folders, hidden or not and shows you the Paths to get to them, IF they exist on your computer.

So with that, I believe I will leave these types of extensions ALONE, unless they become more Mac-able, easier to install on their own without the extra bits, & perhaps somewhat more proven to work on a Mac.

That being said I will play around with Scribus, hoping that --though not as seamless as a built-in native CMYK solution within Inkscape, it may be of some help? 

[Moini]

Yeah, Apple is probably the OS provider who trusts their users least to be able to understand things. Maybe try a different operating system, if you want to understand what's going on in your box?

[Moini]

Oh, aside from Google with Android, of course, but I meant desktop.

[brynn]

Per your Q: "Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions?" No, I did not go that route, I searched through my computer for the specific PATHS, using 'EasyFind', which will show all files & folders, hidden or not and shows you the Paths to get to them, IF they exist on your computer.

When you asked how to install it, I gave you the instructions.  And looking in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions for the proper file path is part of the instructions.  That's all I know about it. 

I don't know why you thought using the Linux installation instructions would be proper for you, but you can ignore those, as I said before.

If the file path which is given for Macs is a hidden location (as it might be for Windows as well) and if Macs don't provide a way for users to access the hidden files safely, then perhaps the Inkscape developers need to come up with another way to handle this.

However, it's been my understanding that there is some way to access that hidden location safely.  I only know what that way is for Windows.  I don't know what that way is for Macs.  Actually this is the first time I've heard that the extension file path is hidden on Macs. 

If you can tell us what that safe way is for Macs, we can add it to the instructions. 

Otherwise, as you said, I guess you just can't use external extensions.